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Undeliverable: Re: sh[it] and What am I missing here?
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jd1008
2016-06-05 18:40:27 UTC
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Why am I getting this after I reply to a post?
The list must have a subscriber who is on a spamming server.
If this continues, I believe I may have to unsubscribe to
protect my machine from possible malware.


Yo


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Subject: Undeliverable: Re: sh[it] and What am I missing here?
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I'm getting this junk too.
Post by jd1008
Why am I getting this after I reply to a post?
The list must have a subscriber who is on a spamming server.
If this continues, I believe I may have to unsubscribe to
protect my machine from possible malware.
Yo
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so we stop getting these spams from that server???
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Baho Utot
2016-06-06 01:13:24 UTC
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Post by jd1008
so we stop getting these spams from that server???
And while you're at it, unsub any user at snaffler.net
It is a spamming server.
I am curious.

Can you describe how a user subscribed to the above spam server inject
the spam into this message list?
Don't go into this in detail just from a 50,000 foot level
I would just like to know how that happens so I can get my head around that.

I get the spam too but it looks like it comes just to me and is not on
the mailing list so I don't see how this can happen

Oh boy I am in for more spam just by asking this question... I can't
wait ;^)


Thanks

PS Yes it doesn't set well with me either for what that is worth
jd1008
2016-06-06 01:37:37 UTC
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Post by Baho Utot
Post by jd1008
so we stop getting these spams from that server???
And while you're at it, unsub any user at snaffler.net
It is a spamming server.
I am curious.
Can you describe how a user subscribed to the above spam server inject
the spam into this message list?
Don't go into this in detail just from a 50,000 foot level
I would just like to know how that happens so I can get my head around
that.
I get the spam too but it looks like it comes just to me and is not on
the mailing list so I don't see how this can happen
Oh boy I am in for more spam just by asking this question... I can't
wait ;^)
Thanks
PS Yes it doesn't set well with me either for what that is worth
The freebsd mailing list server sends our posts and replies to all
subscribed users.
If the fake user is at the server in question, that server replies to
the list with a spam.
Jon Radel
2016-06-06 01:40:38 UTC
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jd1008
2016-06-06 01:50:50 UTC
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Post by Jon Radel
Post by jd1008
If the fake user is at the server in question, that server replies to
the list with a spam.
Actually, in this case it appears that the "fake" bounce messages are
sent to the sender, not the list.
I suspect I'm about to find out. Unless, of course, my spam filters are
up to snuff.
Yep! U R correct.
Valeri Galtsev
2016-06-06 03:04:18 UTC
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Post by Jon Radel
Post by jd1008
If the fake user is at the server in question, that server replies to
the list with a spam.
Actually, in this case it appears that the "fake" bounce messages are
sent to the sender, not the list.
I suspect I'm about to find out. Unless, of course, my spam filters are
up to snuff.
From all what you guys said it sounds like something on this mail list is
harvesting poster's e-mail addresses, and then [likely different server]
sends each of the posters this sort of spam directly. There is virtually
no way to catch the harvester. As far as the server that spam comes from
is concerned, all we can do is to block it on the side of our own servers.
I will likely to find out more detail, namely the IP that delivered these
messages after my post comes through and I receive my personal spam
message. Once I get that myself, then I will block them on the side of my
servers. It doesn't matter for me whether it is just rogue server, or some
brain dead "sysadmin" poorly configured his server, which is just sending
so called "backscatter". Either way, the box will be blocked without
regret.

Sorry about adding to background nose ;-(

Valeri

PS Some people prevent this sort of abuse by doing the following. They
create aliases for each mail list they subscribe to, and then, whatever
comes to that alias is being thrown away, except for mail coming through
that particular mail list. You should be careful and always post From
particular alias...

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Ian Smith
2016-06-06 07:29:46 UTC
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In freebsd-questions Digest, Vol 626, Issue 8, Message: 21
Post by jd1008
Why am I getting this after I reply to a post?
The list must have a subscriber who is on a spamming server.
If this continues, I believe I may have to unsubscribe to
protect my machine from possible malware.
Yo
-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: Undeliverable: Re: sh[it] and What am I missing here?
Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2016 13:36:55 -0500
[..]
Please DO NOT FORWARD spam and related material to this (or any) list.

Then other people will lazily top-post and quote the whole bloody lot
again, and again .. as just amply demonstrated.

If you have any sort of problem with spam, or this sort of issue - that
comes up here repeatedly - the correct thing to do is to forward the
mail in question - including absolutely ALL of the mail headers - to
***@freebsd.org

It is pointless, and annoying, to say "will someone pleae unsubscribe
so-and-so from the list." Postmaster is responsible for _scores_ of
lists, and certainly hasn't time to read this one. Direct mail to
postmaster@, with sufficient detail to actually reveal the problem,
usually has good results in my experience.
Post by jd1008
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Subject: Re: sh[it] and What am I missing here?
Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2016 12:26:28 -0600
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If you download that attachment you than have all the headers needed by
postmaster@ to see the problem delivery. Hint: the message was actually

Delivered-To: ***@tiscali.co.uk
Received: from cm12gb1 (10.101.251.12) by
mail.svcgb1.int.opaltelecom.net
(8.6.141.03) id 574E52E2004546F2 for ***@ukgateway.net;
Sun, 5 Jun 2016 19:26:59 +0100
Received: from mx2.freebsd.org ([8.8.178.116]) by mx.talktalk.net with SMTP
id 9clFbbvm5kpdi9clGbuKNn; Sun, 05 Jun 2016 19:26:59 +0100
X-Delivered-To: ***@ukgateway.net
Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115])
(using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits))
(No client certificate requested)
by mx2.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6D77E6CAA2;
Sun, 5 Jun 2016 18:26:56 +0000 (UTC)
(envelope-from owner-freebsd-***@freebsd.org)

And as you'll see, went through a very circuitous path, via some very
screwy looking servers .. note this one:

X-SMTP-MAILFROM:
&lt;srs0=hysflox2=r5=freebsd.org=owner-freebsd-***@tiscali.co.uk&gt;

Seems tiscali.co.uk is in the mix; owner-freebsd-***@freebsd.org
was the original sender, so that one at least is forged.

I'll do you the favour of copying this mail to ***@freebsd.org
but in future please don't spam the list with this sort of stuff, ta!

Ian
Baho Utot
2016-06-06 09:35:22 UTC
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Post by Baho Utot
Post by jd1008
so we stop getting these spams from that server???
And while you're at it, unsub any user at snaffler.net
It is a spamming server.
I am curious.
Can you describe how a user subscribed to the above spam server inject
the spam into this message list?
They didn't. Why are you under the impression that they did?
Because I don't know enough about the problem. That is why I asked the
question.
Post by Baho Utot
Don't go into this in detail just from a 50,000 foot level
I would just like to know how that happens so I can get my head around
that.
I get the spam too but it looks like it comes just to me and is not on
the mailing list so I don't see how this can happen
Nasty/non-existent/fake/sock-puppet person subscribes to list.
Naturally the subscribed address gets all messages sent to the list.
Look at From: address on a message.
Send nasty stuff to it.
I see no evidence of, or any claims of, other than yours, that anything
is being sent to the list.
I don't claim anything other that not understanding how this happens.
But I am beginning to see how it happens. At a high rate of speed ( Yep
a whole .25 mph in a 70 mph speed zone).
Post by Baho Utot
Oh boy I am in for more spam just by asking this question... I can't
wait ;^)
Of course.
Yea!!!!!!!! beat me with a stick! ;^{)
Valeri Galtsev
2016-06-06 14:56:21 UTC
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jd1008
2016-06-06 17:17:55 UTC
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The harvester IS the very domain from which the spam is bouncing at us.
If someone would please unsubscribe the user whose email is at that domain,
we can all move on from this.
Post by Valeri Galtsev
Post by Jon Radel
Post by jd1008
If the fake user is at the server in question, that server replies to
the list with a spam.
Actually, in this case it appears that the "fake" bounce messages are
sent to the sender, not the list.
I suspect I'm about to find out. Unless, of course, my spam filters are
up to snuff.
From all what you guys said it sounds like something on this mail list is
harvesting poster's e-mail addresses, and then [likely different server]
sends each of the posters this sort of spam directly. There is virtually
no way to catch the harvester. As far as the server that spam comes from
is concerned, all we can do is to block it on the side of our own servers.
I will likely to find out more detail, namely the IP that delivered these
messages after my post comes through and I receive my personal spam
message. Once I get that myself, then I will block them on the side of my
servers. It doesn't matter for me whether it is just rogue server, or some
brain dead "sysadmin" poorly configured his server, which is just sending
so called "backscatter". Either way, the box will be blocked without
regret.
Sorry about adding to background nose ;-(
Valeri
PS Some people prevent this sort of abuse by doing the following. They
create aliases for each mail list they subscribe to, and then, whatever
comes to that alias is being thrown away, except for mail coming through
that particular mail list. You should be careful and always post From
particular alias...
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