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[Getting really off topic]: borderline OT fireox question
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Valeri Galtsev
2016-07-15 18:14:27 UTC
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On Fri, July 15, 2016 11:54 am, Ralf Mardorf via freebsd-questions
Safe browsing requires to check every URL you visit, with the Google
data base. Google knows the IP, the window size, the Firefox version
etc., the sites you vist. With all the other data they own,
!!!
they could
identify you by name, but they are not interested in doing it.
Says who?
This perhaps become to off-topic for this mailing list. The assumption
roughly speaking is, that nowadays the interest of Google is money, not
a pogrom or something similar.
True, but it also is known that largest and easiest money is that of the
taxpayer (received through the government). And again, which is the best
way of startup? Through getting unaccountable grant from one of
unaccountable agencies. And how and why would you create excellent free
services (mail, documents, file sharing,...)? Free for users, yes, but
someone has to pay for these once the company is in it for money? (or it
is in it for something else? what then would be that?) Doesn't take much
effort to figure out who would pay for these free services, right? In the
past you needed to recruit and pay big money to spies. These days you
don't: just roll out free services and information will float to you: you
only need huge storage, excellent analyzing computational facility, and
you get much more and much cheaper actually.

But you are right: we better don't get it started...
More likely than misuse of data
regarding e.g. racism, nowadays is misuse e.g. regarding health
insurance funds and this not especially regarding individuals, but
regarding in what area of your home town most sportsman and in what
area most smokers are living. In Germany mail order business already
cared about areas were many people who are insolvent lived, before we
had the Internet. So you perhaps were credible, but most of your
neighbours perhaps were not, if so they didn't sell you products.
Germany perhaps had the best data protection that time, but anyway
statistics already were misused.
I don't do anything illegal, but I do know that all governments who
were able to collect information about individuals, did so. And what
these governments eventually did is well known as well (Stalin Russia,
Hitler Germany,... and the list goes on).
The most depressing lesson of history is that people never learn
lessons of history ;-(
Valeri
What
they are interested in, is data of your area, of the major group
living in your area, for political and market-based manipulation.
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Matthias Apitz
2016-07-15 18:17:56 UTC
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Please be so kind and discuss this off-list; thanks
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Ralf Mardorf via freebsd-questions
2016-07-15 18:28:20 UTC
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Post by Valeri Galtsev
But you are right: we better don't get it started...
Hi Valeri,

Years back, off-topic became an issue for the Debian Linux user mailing
list, so the off-topic list was created. There's no traffic on this list
anymore.

Feel free to resuscitate this list, I'm still subscribed.

https://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic

Some very nice people are most likely still subscribed to this list and
I'm sure they welcome FreeBSD users, especially since several users were
banned from the Debian user list, regarding opinions about perhaps
systemd and similar topics. Activists who never ever would use Google.
But also liberal people who are no activist or against systemd,
Google and other thingies.

Regards,
Ralf
Polytropon
2016-07-15 19:11:05 UTC
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Post by Ralf Mardorf via freebsd-questions
Post by Valeri Galtsev
But you are right: we better don't get it started...
Hi Valeri,
Years back, off-topic became an issue for the Debian Linux user mailing
list, so the off-topic list was created. There's no traffic on this list
anymore.
There is also a FreeBSD mailing list that would probably be
a good place for this kind of discussion: freebsd-chat@
according to the http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/
summary.
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